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This week’s interview is about Z-Health and why you should know about it. Mike T. Nelson is Z-Health R, I, S and T Phase certified.
KL: For all of those who are out of the fitness loop, what is Z-Health?
Excellent question and one I hear a lot.
MN: In short it is a way to optimize your performance via the nervous system. If you have a movement problem you most likely also have pain. Z Health works to correct movement problems and many times reduces pain, thus increasing performance.
KL: What is the goal of the Z-health methodology?
MN: Z Health is about creating superior athletes.  ; I do believe that most everyone wants to be treated and move like an athlete.
KL: How has it served you since getting the certification?
MN: At the risk of writing a whole novel (watch out), I felt much more confident after even taking just the R Phase (Level 1) Certification since I had a set of PRINCIPLES and a method to evaluate ANY athlete and ANY exercise. I was able to help most (50-70%) that walked through my door in 1 to 2 sessions with their current issue.
The long answer is below, as my personal evolution.
After over sleeping, showing up 45 minutes late and sneaking into the CSCS exam by running into the exam proctor (literally) in the hallway I passed! Whoo ha. Step 1 done.
Now armed with some more info I was all set. The bad part was that “broken” people kept showing up at my door! I want to loose 20 pounds they cry, but they were in pain and simple movements were hard. I could not in good faith have them exercise in pain (later I would learn that this was a good thing as pain has bad effects on the nervous system and kills performance). Time for more research.
Mobility 1.0
So I did some more research and started to implement some general mobility work (Magnificent Mobility DVD) and some “pre-hab” work—scarecrows, scap wall slides, YTWXYW whatevers. Low and behold people started to get better. Sweet! I stopped doing programs and exercise guidance for free and began to charge money. I realized that if it is free, people believed the value of it was the same – ZERO. It did not matter if the information was worthless or priceless; their perception was “if it is free he must not be telling me the good stuff”. I took on my first official client on as a bet. I bet him that I could increase his bench press by more in an 8 week period now compared to any 8 week period in the past 2 years. If we did it, he would sign on as a client for a cheap rate. If not, he was still not out any money just some time.
Turns out his shoulder range of motion (ROM) was horrible from a few injuries. He did not bench really at all for 4 weeks, then lightly for another 2 weeks and then test time 2 weeks later. We did not beat his old record (although not by a tone), but he was almost pain free now.
The Tire
Now that his bench was up, he wanted to flip the 400 lb tire. The downside, his lower body needed some work from previous injuries. Time for the heavy artillery—the foam roller!! So I plopped him on the foam roller and it was incredibly painful and I decried that it MUST be good then since this is a “good” pain (note: as of today I no longer advocate any pain during training, nor do I use a foam roller, see why here http://miketnelson.blogspot.com/2008/01/get-off-foam-roller.html). We also upped the general mobility work and incorporated lots of glute bridges, static stretching of the hip flexors and upper body too. General strength work was cut back other than some basic drills with primarily bodyweight.
Test Time
By this point I was charging him money, which meant I was as accountable too. To be perfectly honest I had no idea if what I was doing would work. From what I read and chatted with others it SHOULD work, but this was reality. We had gone over some technique work during this time, but never did an actual tire flip since I was afraid a missed lift may be dangerous and potentially destroy his mindset (later on I learned why this is so important). I did not want him to ever fail doing it. So he stepped up, got into the correct position, started to push, and the tire started come up and then over it went! “Another one I shouted!!” He stepped up, got into position, and ended up doing 3 reps. He was ecstatic and I was just as happy for him. It was at that point I realized that long term, this is what I wanted to do. I want to help people achieve goals that they believed were impossible. At this time I also switch graduate programs, even though I only 2 classes left towards my PhD in Biomedical engineering (I had not started research though) and started over again in the PhD program in Kinesiology—Exercise Physiology).
Mobility 2.0 and Beyond Z Health Style
Enter Dr. Cobb. I first saw Dr. Cobb speak at Charles Staley’s Training Summit and honestly I did not get it. By this point I really thought I knew what I was doing (looking back that seems laughable now). I had the first copy of the R Phase DVD and really loved it, but the theory made no sense to me.
Dr. Cobb was in town a few months later and I knew I had to see him and learn more. I convinced my tire flip client that if it was not worth his time, I would pay for his training for the next 3 months, no question asked. I also bought a session for my sister for her birthday. What I saw that day was insane. I handed over my credit card and almost $2000 later for training and I would have to fork out dinero for two trips to AZ, but I was on my way. Truthfully, I did not have 2k lying around; but I knew that it was a long term investment and if I was going to train people I needed to at least see what this was all about.
Z Health R Phase Here I Come
Level 1 (R Phase) training in AZ made my head spin. I felt like I entered the Matrix and took the red bill (or was it the blue pill). After the first long weekend I spent the next 3 months trying to disprove all of it in my head and kept coming back to “Darn it, Dr. Cobb is right again!” So off the short plank I went into the Z Health deep end of the pool. I relearned all my lifts from scratch and started doing Z Health with PRECISION instead of waving my limbs around to the DVD like a drunken dodo bird trying to take off.
The Outer Limits
Once I completed the two long weekends of R Phase I was amazed at the power of the nervous system. I remember Dr. Cobb saying that you should be able to change the body at the speed of the nervous system. Wow, that is friggin’ fast. The other one that stuck in my head was that if movement can get you INTO pain, movement should be able to get you OUT of pain. Just before I left for R Phase, I was getting more and more people with some heavy injuries and felt like I was not making a difference as fast as I (or they) wanted.
I then went on to take I Phase, S Phase, T Phase and currently am in the Master Trainer Intern program.
Why So Many Z Health Phases?
R Phase—learning the movement alphabet. You must master the basics first, so you need to relearn mobility in ALL of your joints in isolation. In my experience and from talking to others, this will allow you to help 50-70% of the athletes that come through your door in the FIRST session. Normally it will only be one, 1 to 1.5 hour session per issue. The athletes leave with their “homework drills” that they do about 3 times a day for a few minutes each time for about 4 weeks.
- I Phase—learning the movement template. Z Health I Phase exercises are done from various lunge positions and every movement is then INTEGRATED. You need to learn the basics before you integrate it though. Integration of crappy movement is still then bigger crappy movement. I Phase also gives you the tools to test eye movements and vestibular (inner ear) function. This will put you at about 70-90% results in one session.
- S Phase—sports movements. You learn what great athletes already do and how to do it yourself. Also includes 7 more visual tests. You have 2 eyes for a reason and vision is a high priority in the body, so making sure this system is up to par can be pretty huge. If you train competitive athletes, this is a must to take. Even if you train the everyday athlete, you want to get them to this point since it makes athletics FUN!
- T Phase—therapy based. Now I am not talking about diagnosing athletes, but you learn new skills using hands on techniques to get a result period and/or get that result even faster. Everything from temperature changes, lymph work, scar work, “massage work”, nerve glides, breath retraining, to even self cranial work. It is truly insane and gives you a framework for virtually every manual technique bases on the nervous system. Once you really understand it at this level, you should be up in the high 90s for results from one session.
Now this does not mean that they are all fine and will never have another issue after one session with you—of course not, the body is constantly adapting and changing, but you are peeling the onion and getting to deeper and deeper layers. Think of it as cleaning the bugs out of your computer and putting on better software.
What Do I Do Now?
1) If you are wondering how to start—take action! I think it was Gray Cook who said something like (paraphrasing here) “When I first started I messed up a lot of people.” Now I am not advocating that you INTENTIONALLY mess people up; but you should TEST everything that you do so that if you mess someone up you can correct it or at min get them back to baseline first before they leave. Do no harm first but keep learning.
2) There are many ways! There are many that do not use Z Health and get excellent results and are currently happy doing things their way. Cool! There are others that are constantly searching for better, faster, and more effective ways and I think this is where Z Health is amazing. Z Health is more than just joint mobility work, it is beyond a system and another tool for the tool box; it is a way to view EVERYTHING based on neurology. The amount of change you can get in seconds most of the time will blow your mind. Athletes moving a shoulder to full range of motion, an Olympic marathon runner that after 1 session no longer has horrible hip pain and can go all the way up on her big toe without pain for the first time in years, to low back pain that persisted for years to virtually no pain. Now it is not always that easy, but about 50% of the time it really is that easy. Behold the power of the nervous system!!!
KL: Wow Mike! Thanks for all of the great info!
MN: Thanks for giving my the opportunity to answer some questions here Kevin as it is much appreciated. Please check out my blog at www.miketnelson.blogspot.com for the latest in performance enhancement. I also provided some science to a new MMA project that will be out around the first of year, so watch for it.
Mike T Nelson completed his BA in Natural Science from St. Scholastica and also a MS in Mechanical Engineering specializing in Biomechanics from Michigan Technological University. He is currently a PhD Candidate at the University of Minnesota in Kinesiology (Exercise Science) researching the effects of Energy Drinks on Metabolic (In)flexibility.
He is a certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS) by the NSCA, Z Health R, I, S and T Phase certified, Z Health Master Trainer intern, and a RKC instructor.
He currently trains athletes of all types in White Bear Lake Minnesota and can be contacted at michaelTnelson@yahoo.com




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